FE/Gunwerks “Krylon”

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Bill Mazelin

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My first FE/Gunwerks collaboration rifle. The Krylon as dreamed up by @Terry Houin. It’s an awesome rifle! Very accurate, and has already been proven in Limpopo province South Africa. 215gr Berger Hybrid Target at about 2,800fps get the job done very well. My brother & I grabbed up both of the left handed ones that Gunwerks built.
 

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My first FE/Gunwerks collaboration rifle. The Krylon as dreamed up by @Terry Houin. It’s an awesome rifle! Very accurate, and has already been proven in Limpopo province South Africa. 215gr Berger Hybrid Target at about 2,800fps get the job done very well. My brother & I grabbed up both of the left handed ones that Gunwerks built.
Thanks for sharing! I love to see this rifle going out there and getting it done. @Terry Houin check it out!
 
My first FE/Gunwerks collaboration rifle. The Krylon as dreamed up by @Terry Houin. It’s an awesome rifle! Very accurate, and has already been proven in Limpopo province South Africa. 215gr Berger Hybrid Target at about 2,800fps get the job done very well. My brother & I grabbed up both of the left handed ones that Gunwerks built.
Badass. Such a cool rig.
 
Congrats. I’m curious as to what kind of penetration you achieved with the 215 Hybrid. My own experience with that bullet was disastrous.
 
Congrats. I’m curious as to what kind of penetration you achieved with the 215 Hybrid. My own experience with that bullet was disastrous.
Keith, can you expand (no pun intended) on your disastrous experience with that bullet? I was talking to the Gunwerks guys at SCI about ordering a Magnus. They were really selling the performance characteristics of that bullet.
 
At the risk of shitting on someone else’s thread, here goes.

300 PRC, elk quartering away at ~350 yards. Bullets were coming apart well before reaching the vitals. Shot him 4-5 times before he went down and he was still alive when I got to him. Fortunately it was in open country. Never again. I don’t care how cute the groups are on paper or how great the drag characteristics are.

I love their rifles but match bullets for hunting are, in my opinion, a disaster waiting to happen. This is exactly why controlled expansion bullets were created.

Berger:

With a simple copper jacket and lead core, once the bullet starts expanding, it really comes apart, creating massive wound cavities and devastating performance.

Me:

Give me straight-line penetration and exit wounds.
 
At the risk of shitting on someone else’s thread, here goes.

300 PRC, elk quartering away at ~350 yards. Bullets were coming apart well before reaching the vitals. Shot him 4-5 times before he went down and he was still alive when I got to him. Fortunately it was in open country. Never again. I don’t care how cute the groups are on paper or how great the drag characteristics are.

I love their rifles but match bullets for hunting are, in my opinion, a disaster waiting to happen. This is exactly why controlled expansion bullets were created.

Berger:

With a simple copper jacket and lead core, once the bullet starts expanding, it really comes apart, creating massive wound cavities and devastating performance.

Me:

Give me straight-line penetration and exit wounds.
No worries here Keith. The questions were asked and the discussion continues.
So far, we've seen excellent results across multiple calibers and bullet weights. All the animals in the photos on my opening post on this thread were one shot kills. In the case of my brother, with his King Wildebeest, not only was it a single shot, 175 yards, give or take, it dropped him straight down. He never so much as flinched after the impact. All the others went no more than a few yards before they tipped over. Our PH was initially skeptical of the Berger choice too, but after we shot several critters, collected them, and did a little post mortem on some, he and us became true believers. The various ones I've used are 80gr 22 cal. 140gr 6.5mm. 215gr 308 cal. I've also used 225gr 308 cal. Hornady ELD-M bullets in my 30 Nosler chambered Gunwerks Magnus. I took 5 critters in 3 days with that setup, all but one were one shot affairs too. My brother has used 105gr 6mm. 168gr 7mm and the 215gr 308 cal. Not all the bullets are listed as match bullets. Some are Elite Hunter some are Hybrid Target, some are VLD Hunter. The construction of them is all very similar, they are cup and core bullets.
Here’s a few examples: Impala ram, 284 yards, standing almost straight on. You can see the POI on his chest. At the shot he dropped like he was pole-axed. The bullet remains were found under the skin just behind the last rib on his left side. Total penetration was about 13” or so. Turned his chest cavity into tomato soup. 80gr 22, out of my 22-250 chambered rifle.
On the Scimitar horned oryx vid clip that’s with the Krylon, it was a complete pass thru. About 200 yards.
On my brother’s Blue Wildebeest, about 70 yards, I think that one was a pass thru too, but I’m not certain.
 

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No worries here Keith. The questions were asked and the discussion continues.
So far, we've seen excellent results across multiple calibers and bullet weights. All the animals in the photos on my opening post on this thread were one shot kills. In the case of my brother, with his King Wildebeest, not only was it a single shot, 175 yards, give or take, it dropped him straight down. He never so much as flinched after the impact. All the others went no more than a few yards before they tipped over. Our PH was initially skeptical of the Berger choice too, but after we shot several critters, collected them, and did a little post mortem on some, he and us became true believers. The various ones I've used are 80gr 22 cal. 140gr 6.5mm. 215gr 308 cal. I've also used 225gr 308 cal. Hornady ELD-M bullets in my 30 Nosler chambered Gunwerks Magnus. I took 5 critters in 3 days with that setup, all but one were one shot affairs too. My brother has used 105gr 6mm. 168gr 7mm and the 215gr 308 cal. Not all the bullets are listed as match bullets. Some are Elite Hunter some are Hybrid Target, some are VLD Hunter. The construction of them is all very similar, they are cup and core bullets.
Here’s a few examples: Impala ram, 284 yards, standing almost straight on. You can see the POI on his chest. At the shot he dropped like he was pole-axed. The bullet remains were found under the skin just behind the last rib on his left side. Total penetration was about 13” or so. Turned his chest cavity into tomato soup. 80gr 22, out of my 22-250 chambered rifle.
On the Scimitar horned oryx vid clip that’s with the Krylon, it was a complete pass thru. About 200 yards.
On my brother’s Blue Wildebeest, about 70 yards, I think that one was a pass thru too, but I’m not certain.
I can't argue with others experiences but my own experience with Berger VLD Hunting bullets has been exceptional, very similar to @billmazelin... I've harvested several elk, large bodied mule deer, whitetails, black bear, a shiras moose, antelope, and caribou with 210 gr Berger VLD Hunting bullets... All were taken at ranges from 100 yards out to 600+.. all except the Shiras moose were one shot, DRT, collapsed in their tracks. There were no exit wounds on any of them. The Shiras Moose was the closest at 100 yards and it was in full rut, roaring/grunting and shaking it's head. I shot it broadside at 100 yards while it was walking and it didn't even respond, other than by starting to trot. I hit it again and there was no noticeable reaction.. as I was lining up for a third shot, the bull stopped, sat down on its hind quarters and rolled over on it's side, dead.. it had only traveled about 35 yards from my initial shot but those 35 yards seemed like a lifetime to me.
When I dressed out and skinned the bull, both shots were within 2 inches of one another and the trauma within the chest cavity was immense. The heart was literally gone and the lungs were jello. How it remained on it's feet for 35 more yards is a mystery to me.

I shot a big black bear in the head and the Berger never exited, but when I caped out the head the only bone structure that remained was the muzzle, every piece of skull from the eyes back was gone.. the only thing that I can figure was it all vaporized and went out it's ears because it's ear canals were bloody and full of debris. I had the similar experience on our sniper team..

Our sniper team shot a man that had brutally murdered another officer and was physically holding his own young daughter hostage. We shot him in the face at 75 yards with a 308 caliber 168 gr Hornady AMAX bullet. That bullet did not exit his head and when I reviewed the coroner's report and looked at the X-rays and coroner's photos, it looked like a glitter bomb went off in his head all the pressure went out his ears.

I know some of these debates can become "emotional" for some guys. I respect different opinions, I won't argue what other people have experienced. Everyone has their own experiences. The examples I provided are why I personally prefer bullets that expend ALL of their energy within the target and not "through" the target (exit wound). Exit wounds are ideal in Archery hunting. But with firearms, whether it's a pistol, sub gun, or rifle make mine explode in the target. I think of it this way, would I rather shoot a grenade "through" a target, or into a target and have it explode. I don't need to recover a pretty mushroom, and I don't care if the thin little bit of meat along the rib cage and chest cavity turns to Jell-O slop, crows and magpies need to eat to. I want DRT.
 
I can't argue with others experiences but my own experience with Berger VLD Hunting bullets has been exceptional, very similar to @billmazelin... I've harvested several elk, large bodied mule deer, whitetails, black bear, a shiras moose, antelope, and caribou with 210 gr Berger VLD Hunting bullets... All were taken at ranges from 100 yards out to 600+.. all except the Shiras moose were one shot, DRT, collapsed in their tracks. There were no exit wounds on any of them. The Shiras Moose was the closest at 100 yards and it was in full rut, roaring/grunting and shaking it's head. I shot it broadside at 100 yards while it was walking and it didn't even respond, other than by starting to trot. I hit it again and there was no noticeable reaction.. as I was lining up for a third shot, the bull stopped, sat down on its hind quarters and rolled over on it's side, dead.. it had only traveled about 35 yards from my initial shot but those 35 yards seemed like a lifetime to me.
When I dressed out and skinned the bull, both shots were within 2 inches of one another and the trauma within the chest cavity was immense. The heart was literally gone and the lungs were jello. How it remained on it's feet for 35 more yards is a mystery to me.

I shot a big black bear in the head and the Berger never exited, but when I caped out the head the only bone structure that remained was the muzzle, every piece of skull from the eyes back was gone.. the only thing that I can figure was it all vaporized and went out it's ears because it's ear canals were bloody and full of debris. I had the similar experience on our sniper team..

Our sniper team shot a man that had brutally murdered another officer and was physically holding his own young daughter hostage. We shot him in the face at 75 yards with a 308 caliber 168 gr Hornady AMAX bullet. That bullet did not exit his head and when I reviewed the coroner's report and looked at the X-rays and coroner's photos, it looked like a glitter bomb went off in his head all the pressure went out his ears.

I know some of these debates can become "emotional" for some guys. I respect different opinions, I won't argue what other people have experienced. Everyone has their own experiences. The examples I provided are why I personally prefer bullets that expend ALL of their energy within the target and not "through" the target (exit wound). Exit wounds are ideal in Archery hunting. But with firearms, whether it's a pistol, sub gun, or rifle make mine explode in the target. I think of it this way, would I rather shoot a grenade "through" a target, or into a target and have it explode. I don't need to recover a pretty mushroom, and I don't care if the thin little bit of meat along the rib cage and chest cavity turns to Jell-O slop, crows and magpies need to eat to. I want DRT.
I will also add that my experience is strictly with North American game, and North American criminals.. I have never hunted in Africa and so have no experience there.
 
Bill, apologize for being the guy to hijack your thread. Great looking rifle! Love that Kings wildebeest, first one I've seen with that much white on the body. I appreciate all the commentary on bullet performance.

Keith, Shifty; thanks for the additional input.
 
Bill, apologize for being the guy to hijack your thread. Great looking rifle! Love that Kings wildebeest, first one I've seen with that much white on the body. I appreciate all the commentary on bullet performance.

Keith, Shifty; thanks for the additional input.
No apologies needed. Thanks, it is a great looking rifle. Uncle @Terry Houin did a bang up job with the spec. sheet, Gunwerks executed it properly. Ray’s King was awesome! That was his second because he wanted that massive slab of white. It’ll be a full body taxidermy mount. Now I have to shoot one too! Happy to provide feedback on bullet performance. I’m not in the industry, so I have no skin in that game. This is a great forum with solid like minded folks, photos and video clips also help to tell the tale and I think most people really appreciate the additional commentary they provide.
 
Funny story on my 2 kings, I didn't want the second one. I was using my 416 with a 1-4x Trijicon with the post scope configuration. On sticks at 175 yards, dropped a beautiful "lone" kings. Recoil being what it is and my habit to reload during the recoil, I was back down on the sticks immediately watching my king up and running. I was squeezing off a second shot to drop him "again" as my PH was yelling to not shoot.

There was a second king bedding in the tall grass next to the standing one I shot. The bedded one took off running when I hit the first one and I dropped the second one with the second shot.
 

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