Long-Range Hunting: Max Range?

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I'm not the hunting police, but personally I've seen too many wounded animals for my tastes by people who can ding steel out to a mile, but who then want to stroke their ego on a live animal, even if they could get closer. My max range on a big-game animal is roughly 600 yards, often less due to poor conditions. I feel that's the maximum range at which luck becomes too big of a factor for consistent one-shot kills, even if everything else is great. The wind can gust, or the animal can take a step at that range, causing the shot to the go to the knee or the guts. But that's just me. What do you all think?
 
I’m with you, Jeff. I’m all about the stalk and slinging rounds across a big canyon deprives me of that. Put the ego aside and learn how to sneak.

When you can’t get closer, the conditions matter a bunch. Wind blowing hard? My limit that day might be 350. With calm winds and a solid rest, your 600-yard limit is about right.

I LOVE banging steel at long range and I’ll admit that there’s probably no distance at which I won’t give a coyote a shot but for big game animals, I’ll get as close as possible.

Watching guys with 20-pound PRS rifles try to do Erik Cortina’s “ethical hunter challenge” should be a huge eye opener for folks.
 
I'm not the hunting police, but personally I've seen too many wounded animals for my tastes by people who can ding steel out to a mile, but who then want to stroke their ego on a live animal, even if they could get closer. My max range on a big-game animal is roughly 600 yards, often less due to poor conditions. I feel that's the maximum range at which luck becomes too big of a factor for consistent one-shot kills, even if everything else is great. The wind can gust, or the animal can take a step at that range, causing the shot to the go to the knee or the guts. But that's just me. What do you all think?
Agree to some extent, there are situations where I feel it’s acceptable to shoot further. You have to know your limitations as well as your equipment’s limitations. Weather conditions are a huge factor, not everyone with a “6.5 guacamole improved” should be blazing away at a 1000 plus. Unfortunately there will always be those guys out there.
 
I'm not the hunting police, but personally I've seen too many wounded animals for my tastes by people who can ding steel out to a mile, but who then want to stroke their ego on a live animal, even if they could get closer. My max range on a big-game animal is roughly 600 yards, often less due to poor conditions. I feel that's the maximum range at which luck becomes too big of a factor for consistent one-shot kills, even if everything else is great. The wind can gust, or the animal can take a step at that range, causing the shot to the go to the knee or the guts. But that's just me. What do you all think?
When people talk about maximum effective range, I think a lot of the conversation gets muddy because it’s often reduced to “how far the rifle can shoot” or “how far the bullet will still expand.” That’s not how I look at it.


For me, max effective range is a three-step problem, and the shot only counts if all three boxes are checked. Miss any one of them and, in my mind, the distance is already too far.


First is accuracy—specifically the rifle and shooter as a system.
At whatever distance we’re talking about, my total margin of error has to be less than half the radius of the animal’s vital zone. That includes everything: mechanical accuracy, positional wobble, wind call uncertainty, and execution. If my cone of fire is larger than that, I’m no longer making a controlled shot, I’m hoping and as they say hope is not a course of action.


Second is time of flight.
I want time of flight to be under one second. Once you get past that, the animal has enough time to take a casual step and move out of the impact zone without ever knowing something is happening. Animals don’t need to “react” to the shot, normal movement alone is enough to turn a good trigger press into a bad outcome if the bullet is in the air too long.


Third is retained energy.
At impact, I want at least 1.5× the field-judged weight of the animal in foot-pounds of energy. That gives me a margin for imperfect angles, less-than-ideal hits, and real-world variables that don’t show up on ballistic charts. I’m not trying to squeak by on minimums—I want enough energy to end things decisively.


The key thing is that all three criteria have to overlap at the same distance. If my accuracy and energy are there but time of flight isn’t, the range is too far. If time of flight and energy look good but my error budget is blown, same answer. The shortest leg of the stool determines the max distance, not the longest.


That number changes depending on the rifle, the cartridge, the animal, the conditions, and honestly how I’m shooting that day. It’s not a flex and it’s not fixed. It’s just a way to put some discipline around a question that gets answered emotionally way too often.


Curious how others here define their own limits or if you even think in terms of “max effective range” at all.
 
I don't put much stock in energy but, if it works for you, have at it. Impact velocity is an absolute must if we want the bullet to do its job. All of that said, closer is always better. I don't remember my furthest shot but I sure as hell remember the close ones.
 
I don't put much stock in energy but, if it works for you, have at it. Impact velocity is an absolute must if we want the bullet to do its job. All of that said, closer is always better. I don't remember my furthest shot but I sure as hell remember the close ones.
Energy and Velocity are linked, energy increases exponentially with velocity, 2x speed is 4x energy. Velocity also factors into time of flight. So all that to say I should have been more clear or maybe I should add velocity specifically to the criteria. Thanks for the thought opportunity.
 
I don't put much stock in energy but, if it works for you, have at it. Impact velocity is an absolute must if we want the bullet to do its job. All of that said, closer is always better. I don't remember my furthest shot but I sure as hell remember the close ones.
I'd like to get into the weeds sometime on energy vs impact velocity.
 
I think people simplify this too much. I wouldnt say i have a max range as this changes with the rifle carried, the game pursued and the wind conditions. The area I live in and do most of my hunting is pretty wide open, not much in the way of cover for stalking. I honestly dont remember the last big game animal i shot closer than 350m. Go back 10 years ago most of my hunting was done in thick timber shots were always 200 or less but arguably far more difficult. I find making a longer range shot I usually have time to build a good shooting position and make a better shot than if im in the woods shooting offhand in a rush.
I have killed deer at 400m with my 6br and its worked perfect some people consider this unethical ect. My main hunting rifle launches a 7mm 180g bullet at 3200 fps, which has plenty of energy to effectively kill at distances that most people would lose their minds over. I can honestly say I have seen more wounded animals from close range shots than long range ones.

I always find the judgment of how far is ethical funny from people that fire 20 rounds a year. If you only fire a box of shells a year and most of those are at animals chances are you have no buisness shooting past 200m but to the guy that shoots 1000 -10000 centerfire rounds a year and pushes his limits, trains to build competency in marksmenship and his system I see no issue with that guy shooting whatever distance he feels confident.
 
I think people simplify this too much. I wouldnt say i have a max range as this changes with the rifle carried, the game pursued and the wind conditions. The area I live in and do most of my hunting is pretty wide open, not much in the way of cover for stalking. I honestly dont remember the last big game animal i shot closer than 350m. Go back 10 years ago most of my hunting was done in thick timber shots were always 200 or less but arguably far more difficult. I find making a longer range shot I usually have time to build a good shooting position and make a better shot than if im in the woods shooting offhand in a rush.
I have killed deer at 400m with my 6br and its worked perfect some people consider this unethical ect. My main hunting rifle launches a 7mm 180g bullet at 3200 fps, which has plenty of energy to effectively kill at distances that most people would lose their minds over. I can honestly say I have seen more wounded animals from close range shots than long range ones.

I always find the judgment of how far is ethical funny from people that fire 20 rounds a year. If you only fire a box of shells a year and most of those are at animals chances are you have no buisness shooting past 200m but to the guy that shoots 1000 -10000 centerfire rounds a year and pushes his limits, trains to build competency in marksmenship and his system I see no issue with that guy shooting whatever distance he feels confident.
Very well said Sir
 
The "long range" sector of marketing has blurred some lines between the LARPing wanna-be snipers, and the ammo market and some other markets as well. 500m is the max push I'll look at for an effective kill, and that is a ball of wax per caliber and the bullet and daylight. We have one 40 acre piece with a tower stand in the middle of the corn field, 450m to the north and south, as long as nobody is in those stands on the ends. The marketing for "match" everything, has people using bullets 500 to 800m they've only punched paper or steel with, but they believe the 3 guys nearby are willing to track for half their hunt days and into the darkness. For an average whitetail?! Meh...
 
I'm not the hunting police, but personally I've seen too many wounded animals for my tastes by people who can ding steel out to a mile, but who then want to stroke their ego on a live animal, even if they could get closer. My max range on a big-game animal is roughly 600 yards, often less due to poor conditions. I feel that's the maximum range at which luck becomes too big of a factor for consistent one-shot kills, even if everything else is great. The wind can gust, or the animal can take a step at that range, causing the shot to the go to the knee or the guts. But that's just me. What do you all think?
I think whatever range you practice consistently (more than 20 rounds a year as everyone has mentioned previously) is acceptable, even more so required to be an effective hunter with an ethical range.

I answered the call to help a kid up in Alaska fill a Mountain Goat Tag. The story is a wild one (I ended up falling down a cliff in the dark, breaking my ankle, then crawling back to the truck. There more details to that story…) but the kid had only shot on ranges up to 250 yards.

Goat was at 450 yards and he had his .300 Win Mag. I asked if he had shot that far and he said no only to 250. I told him not to shot and to get closer. He decided to channel his inner Danny Devito “ANYWAYS SO I STARTED BLASTIN’!”

1st shot was a miss, 2nd high shoulder hit, shots #3-6 all misses and 7th shot was a gut shot and that was all his ammo he had brought for this Alaskan goat hunt. We then closed the gap to 100 yards and he still missed with my 30-06 and finally listened to me and put the goat down with another shot)… he then said “dang that’s not like whitetail hunting in Minnesota… I just always aim for the neck”… his kill shot was when I told him to aim low right behind the shoulder and surprise, that actually worked!

Clearly that kid was not prepared for that hunt and the situation he found himself (not shooting the proper ranges he’d find himself, not enough ammo, didn’t listen to hunting partner, didn’t know how to properly process, the animal etc)… therefore making his effective and ethical kill range very short!

No I will not be hunting with that guy again either lol
 

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