Scout Rifle Contest

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Cool contest. Might not be as exciting as other entries built, but functionally, I feel like it’s tough to beat the simple, classic Model 70 Featherweight in 30-06 with LPVO and FE Sling. Nothing a true scout can do, that it cannot do as good or better. Short enough 22 inch barrel, 42 overall, right around 7 lbs with light 4.5-14 x 42 Burris on Talley rings, shoots factory loads less than an inch, CRF action for reliable feeding, fail-proof hinged floor-plate with 5 round capacity, chambered in do-it-all 30-06. The only thing it’s missing to make it a true scout is shorter barrel, back-up irons, and forward mounted optic (I don’t even find that to be an advantage with adjustable zoom and forgiving eye relief), but I find target acquisition plenty fast on 4.5 zoom. If I need quicker acquisition or more maneuverability than it offers, I’ll draw a semi-auto sidearm with irons and dump a mag. Thank you to the rest of you for competing. Is it cheating to be the first to enter a time tested rifle design and cartridge? Probably, but that’s what winners do. Can’t beat tried and true. I think this is the perfectly balanced Goldi-locks sweet spot that the Scout embodies. Nothing new under the sun, and this has set the bar for a long time. I question if any true scout can beat it, unless it’s eliminated for missing the assignment entirely.

30-06 gets slight edge over 308 (308 wishes it was a 30-06 with extra length and velocity), 6.5 Needmore (30-06 way less gay), 243 (child’s play), 7-08 (hard to knock, but it ain’t a 30-06), 270 (30-06 light) class cartridges for ability to shoot up to 220 grains, before stepping up to 7 mag, 300 Win Mag or bigger 35 Whelen, 9.3, 375 class cartridges. Short action could be considered a benefit, but does the minor change in length make that much of a difference? Not being magnum, have slightly more capacity and better barrel life. Still manageable enough recoil out of a 7lb rifle, don’t need added weight, deafening brake or suppressor which would add overall length.

Synthetic stock probably better for longevity and maintenance, but wood just looks prettier and has more character.

CRF king of bolt actions for reliability. I’d take a bolt gun over auto for reliability as well.

Hinged floor plate lighter, simpler and don’t have to worry about loosing a mag.

Hard to beat accuracy of ~ 1/2 inch. 2 inch scout standard unacceptable.

If the defining feature aside from weight (it’s 1 lb. don’t be a pansy) maneuverability (measure 3 inches on a tape) and reliability (undisputed) is quick target acquisition and short range, that’s a low bar almost any gun will perform fine and a side arm probably the better tool for the job. Removing optics if they fail to access irons isn’t fast enough if you need it in a pinch. Instinctive shooting , or even looking down the barrel will do if you’re talking about less than 50 yards. Low power optic is just fine.

100 yard 3 shot group with factory Norma BondStrike load.
 

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Support for my entry in the words of FE:





All > true scout, IMO while capturing its best non-negotiable features.
 
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Hell Yeah! I'm building two. My Shit Box will be based on a $175 rifle I picked up 2-3 years ago that I've never even shot. Thanks for your official thumbs up on this JV!
I’d already had a shitbox planned that I told Schoby about. I was going to weld all sorts of pic rails on an Enfield Jungle Carbine plus a holder for a giant mag light.
 
Hello everyone, I've been lurking here for a little while, so I thought I would finally uncloak since this is a topic near and dear to me.

It was 1992, and at the ripe old age of 21 with a pocketful deployment cash from Gulf War One, I went to Gunsite. After a week of shooting, several blisters, and a lot of learning, I came home with more than the best training I've ever had. Because after a week of lust, on Friday of my class I finally said fuck it, and spent the last of my war wad on a Scout rifle on the wall of the Gunsite Gunsmithy. The grail was mine, blessed by final inspection from LtCol Jeff Cooper himself.

In the days before the Steyr, Gunsite hand built them on several actions, finally settling on Sako about a year after I got mine. She is on a Winchester model 70 featherweight. Custom silver soldered pedestal scout scope mounts, custom fiberglass stock fit to my LOP, 2.75x Burris scout scope (the only available scout scope at the time). Interesting touch was a snag free front sight a front sight hidden into the front scope mount. Three Pachmayr flush sling mounts for a CW or Ching sling. Alas, it weighs in at 6.9 lbs versus 6.6lbs. So she is a fatty, but my pride and joy.

For some reason, LtCol Cooper took a liking to the awkward skinny young kid that could sorta, sometimes, run a 1911, and we stayed in touch and he gave me a bit of mentorship along my way. A few years later, I was back in Arizona having dinner with Jeff and Janelle, where he interrogated me about hunting war criminals in the Balkans, while I picked his brain on gunfighting and scout rifles. Of note, Jeff told me the forward mount scout scope was the quickest thing available, since it allowed both eyes to be open, and allowed the scope to basically fade away. He said it was about hitting better than with ghost rings, to allow you to better hit what you could already see. The minimal magnification helped to see a bit better, and was small enough that the eyes could merge the image between the scope and unaided eye. Jeff told me stories of him and his friends shooting skeet with his. Speed, snap shooting and enough precision to use effectively throughout the maximum point blank range for a .308 was his goal. I specfically asked about red dots as they were just coming into vogue then, and his response was he had played with them on the ranch, and batteries die and electric gadgets break. This was circa 1996. His only voiced issue with them was fragility and battery life. Things have changed since then.

Now, I'm retired after 30 years working CI and CT for DoD, and my Scout has also retired. She is sitting in the safe awaiting my sons. I'm now running a Sig Cross Sawtooth in .308, that's going to get a NF NX6 1-6 LVPO soon to replace its current Trijicon Credo. The Sawtooth weighs a little less, shoots a lot better (1/3 MOA thanks to it's Proof Carbon fiber barrel), and is a better rifle in every measurable way....except... it's not my Scout.

Good luck gentleman, may your new Scout rifles bring you as much joy as mine has.
Chris B
 

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Hello everyone, I've been lurking here for a little while, so I thought I would finally uncloak since this is a topic near and dear to me.


Good luck gentleman, may your new Scout rifles bring you as much joy as mine has.
Chris B
Welcome Chris, Thank You for your excellent insights to this rifling History with the Col. himself. Drive on Brother, keep coming back.
 
Hello everyone, I've been lurking here for a little while, so I thought I would finally uncloak since this is a topic near and dear to me.

It was 1992, and at the ripe old age of 21 with a pocketful deployment cash from Gulf War One, I went to Gunsite. After a week of shooting, several blisters, and a lot of learning, I came home with more than the best training I've ever had. Because after a week of lust, on Friday of my class I finally said fuck it, and spent the last of my war wad on a Scout rifle on the wall of the Gunsite Gunsmithy. The grail was mine, blessed by final inspection from LtCol Jeff Cooper himself.

In the days before the Steyr, Gunsite hand built them on several actions, finally settling on Sako about a year after I got mine. She is on a Winchester model 70 featherweight. Custom silver soldered pedestal scout scope mounts, custom fiberglass stock fit to my LOP, 2.75x Burris scout scope (the only available scout scope at the time). Interesting touch was a snag free front sight a front sight hidden into the front scope mount. Three Pachmayr flush sling mounts for a CW or Ching sling. Alas, it weighs in at 6.9 lbs versus 6.6lbs. So she is a fatty, but my pride and joy.

For some reason, LtCol Cooper took a liking to the awkward skinny young kid that could sorta, sometimes, run a 1911, and we stayed in touch and he gave me a bit of mentorship along my way. A few years later, I was back in Arizona having dinner with Jeff and Janelle, where he interrogated me about hunting war criminals in the Balkans, while I picked his brain on gunfighting and scout rifles. Of note, Jeff told me the forward mount scout scope was the quickest thing available, since it allowed both eyes to be open, and allowed the scope to basically fade away. He said it was about hitting better than with ghost rings, to allow you to better hit what you could already see. The minimal magnification helped to see a bit better, and was small enough that the eyes could merge the image between the scope and unaided eye. Jeff told me stories of him and his friends shooting skeet with his. Speed, snap shooting and enough precision to use effectively throughout the maximum point blank range for a .308 was his goal. I specfically asked about red dots as they were just coming into vogue then, and his response was he had played with them on the ranch, and batteries die and electric gadgets break. This was circa 1996. His only voiced issue with them was fragility and battery life. Things have changed since then.

Now, I'm retired after 30 years working CI and CT for DoD, and my Scout has also retired. She is sitting in the safe awaiting my sons. I'm now running a Sig Cross Sawtooth in .308, that's going to get a NF NX6 1-6 LVPO soon to replace its current Trijicon Credo. The Sawtooth weighs a little less, shoots a lot better (1/3 MOA thanks to it's Proof Carbon fiber barrel), and is a better rifle in every measurable way....except... it's not my Scout.

Good luck gentleman, may your new Scout rifles bring you as much joy as mine has.
Chris B
Love that setup, you got my vote so far. Thanks for sharing. Great explanation of forward mounted scope and benefits over red dot/irons.
 
Do you think a camo painted gun tends to get more like points compared to a standard finish? I’m not a big fan of but won’t mind do it.
 
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Hello everyone, I've been lurking here for a little while, so I thought I would finally uncloak since this is a topic near and dear to me.

It was 1992, and at the ripe old age of 21 with a pocketful deployment cash from Gulf War One, I went to Gunsite. After a week of shooting, several blisters, and a lot of learning, I came home with more than the best training I've ever had. Because after a week of lust, on Friday of my class I finally said fuck it, and spent the last of my war wad on a Scout rifle on the wall of the Gunsite Gunsmithy. The grail was mine, blessed by final inspection from LtCol Jeff Cooper himself.

In the days before the Steyr, Gunsite hand built them on several actions, finally settling on Sako about a year after I got mine. She is on a Winchester model 70 featherweight. Custom silver soldered pedestal scout scope mounts, custom fiberglass stock fit to my LOP, 2.75x Burris scout scope (the only available scout scope at the time). Interesting touch was a snag free front sight a front sight hidden into the front scope mount. Three Pachmayr flush sling mounts for a CW or Ching sling. Alas, it weighs in at 6.9 lbs versus 6.6lbs. So she is a fatty, but my pride and joy.

For some reason, LtCol Cooper took a liking to the awkward skinny young kid that could sorta, sometimes, run a 1911, and we stayed in touch and he gave me a bit of mentorship along my way. A few years later, I was back in Arizona having dinner with Jeff and Janelle, where he interrogated me about hunting war criminals in the Balkans, while I picked his brain on gunfighting and scout rifles. Of note, Jeff told me the forward mount scout scope was the quickest thing available, since it allowed both eyes to be open, and allowed the scope to basically fade away. He said it was about hitting better than with ghost rings, to allow you to better hit what you could already see. The minimal magnification helped to see a bit better, and was small enough that the eyes could merge the image between the scope and unaided eye. Jeff told me stories of him and his friends shooting skeet with his. Speed, snap shooting and enough precision to use effectively throughout the maximum point blank range for a .308 was his goal. I specfically asked about red dots as they were just coming into vogue then, and his response was he had played with them on the ranch, and batteries die and electric gadgets break. This was circa 1996. His only voiced issue with them was fragility and battery life. Things have changed since then.

Now, I'm retired after 30 years working CI and CT for DoD, and my Scout has also retired. She is sitting in the safe awaiting my sons. I'm now running a Sig Cross Sawtooth in .308, that's going to get a NF NX6 1-6 LVPO soon to replace its current Trijicon Credo. The Sawtooth weighs a little less, shoots a lot better (1/3 MOA thanks to it's Proof Carbon fiber barrel), and is a better rifle in every measurable way....except... it's not my Scout.

Good luck gentleman, may your new Scout rifles bring you as much joy as mine has.
Chris B
I really enjoyed this Story. Such a cool rifle.
 
The Steyr Scout in 376 Steyr is a thumper.... The 376 Steyr is a great cartridge. I would enjoy seeing the world "re-discover" it in similar fashion as the 10mm Auto...especially if Nosler picked it up and started loading Partitions... IMG_5334.JPG
 
The Steyr Scout in 376 Steyr is a thumper.... The 376 Steyr is a great cartridge. I would enjoy seeing the world "re-discover" it in similar fashion as the 10mm Auto...especially if Nosler picked it up and started loading Partitions... View attachment 3707
We took a scout in .376 to Africa about 8 years ago. Absolutely badass cartridge and rifle for big plains game.
 
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